But you know, someone like Mr. Grusch, who has only talked to people indirectly, and has...

But you know, someone like Mr. Grusch, who has only talked to people indirectly, and has limited exposure to the subject after a couple of years of involvement, they're very easily deceived, and it's not Mr. Grusch's fault, but the danger is, and this is a big danger, is that we know that there are portfolios of
those sort of gruesome events that get shown, for example,
to President Trump and Pence, that were shown to Ronald Reagan